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Rebellion in the church today is a very big problem. It seems a week doesn’t go by where you don’t hear about another church split. All because some were not happy with the direction the Pastor or leadership was taking. Often these rebellions are led by others that have been placed in an area leadership themselves and have trouble submitting themselves to the Pastor.

This is not a new problem. Lucifer led a rebellion in heaven against God because he let pride puff him up and thought he would be a much better one to run things in heaven. Korah a cousin of Moses was another who along with certain Reubenites, Dathan and Abiram, sons of Eliab, and On son of Peleth rebelled. The Bible says in Numbers 16:1-3 that they became insolent and rose up against Moses. With them were 250 Israelite men, well-known community leaders who had been appointed members of the council. They came as a group to oppose Moses and Aaron and said to them, "You have gone too far! The whole community is holy, every one of them, and the LORD is with them. Why then do you set yourselves above the LORD’s assembly?" They were questioning Moses and Aaron’s authority and leadership which was clearly given by God. How many times have you heard someone say; "Who does that Pastor think He is? I know God just as much if not more then him. God speaks to me too you know! I could probably lead this church better than he can." People just don’’t realize just how dangerous those words are. God does not take kindly to those who lead rebellion and cause division.

Samuel in rebuking king Saul for his rebellion said in I Samuel 15:22-23;"Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD ? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry." Saul was rejected as king of Israel because of his rebellion and David was anointed to be the future king. Even so David refused to even consider harming Saul. In 1 Samuel 24:6 David said to his men; "The LORD forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the LORD’s anointed, or lift my hand against him; for he is the anointed of the LORD ." and in 1 Samuel 26:9, David said to Abishai when they came upon Saul and his men sleeping; "Don’t destroy him! Who can lay a hand on the LORD’s anointed and be guiltless? Anyone, I don’’t care who you are, who comes against someone who has been called and anointed by the Lord is putting themselves in grave danger.

After the challenge by Korah, Moses fell on his face v4. It is a natural thing for a leader to be hurt and feel betrayed when those he has trusted rise up against him. Moses then challenged them v5-11 and said; "In the morning the LORD will show who belongs to him and who is holy, and he will have that person come near him. The man he chooses he will cause to come near him. You, Korah, and all your followers are to do this: Take censers and tomorrow put fire and incense in them before the LORD . The man the LORD chooses will be the one who is holy. You Levites have gone too far! Isn’t it enough for you that the God of Israel has separated you from the rest of the Israelite community and brought you near himself to do the work at the LORD’s tabernacle and to stand before the community and minister to them? He has brought you and all your fellow Levites near himself, but now you are trying to get the priesthood too. It is against the LORD that you and all your followers have banded together. Who is Aaron that you should grumble against him?"

Listen to what some of the men said. It sounds just like a lot Christians today when they are confronted with their rebellion. In v12-14 it says; Then Moses summoned Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab. But they said, "We will not come! Isn’t it enough that you have brought us up out of a land flowing with milk and honey to kill us in the desert? And now you also want to lord it over us? Moreover, you haven’t brought us into a land flowing with milk and honey or given us an inheritance of fields and vineyards. Will you gouge out the eyes of these men? No, we will not come!" They completely refused to admit to doing anything wrong and refused to be confronted. They had convinced themselves that they were right and Moses and Aaron were wrong. I have seen that same arrogance in many who come against church leadership.

Moses then challenged them again in v16-17; "You and all your followers are to appear before the LORD tomorrow-you and they and Aaron. Each man is to take his censer and put incense in it-250 censers in all-and present it before the LORD . You and Aaron are to present your censers also." In v19-21 it then says; When Korah had gathered all his followers in opposition to them at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting, the glory of the LORD appeared to the entire assembly. The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Separate yourselves from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once." But Moses and Aaron interceded on their behalf. That has been the way of most of the Pastors I have known. They go before the Lord and intercede for those that are challenging their leadership. But judgement still came to those who caused the rebellion. We read about in verses 23-35. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Say to the assembly, ‘Move away from the tents of Korah, Dathan and Abiram.’ "

Moses got up and went to Dathan and Abiram, and the elders of Israel followed him. He warned the assembly, "Move back from the tents of these wicked men! Do not touch anything belonging to them, or you will be swept away because of all their sins." So they moved away from the tents of Korah, Dathan and Abiram. Dathan and Abiram had come out and were standing with their wives, children and little ones at the entrances to their tents.

Then Moses said, "This is how you will know that the LORD has sent me to do all these things and that it was not my idea: If these men die a natural death and experience only what usually happens to men, then the LORD has not sent me. But if the LORD brings about something totally new, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them, with everything that belongs to them, and they go down alive into the grave, then you will know that these men have treated the LORD with contempt."

As soon as he finished saying all this, the ground under them split apart and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them, with their households and all Korah’s men and all their possessions. They went down alive into the grave, with everything they owned; the earth closed over them, and they perished and were gone from the community. At their cries, all the Israelites around them fled, shouting, "The earth is going to swallow us too!"

And fire came out from the LORD and consumed the 250 men who were offering the incense.

You would think that after the rest of Israel had seen the way that God had judged the leaders of the rebellion that it would have ended there. But it didn’t. In verse 41 it says; The next day the whole Israelite community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. "You have killed the LORD’s people," they said. But when the assembly gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron and turned toward the Tent of Meeting, suddenly the cloud covered it and the glory of the LORD appeared. Then Moses and Aaron went to the front of the Tent of Meeting, and the LORD said to Moses, "Get away from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once." And they fell facedown.

Then Moses said to Aaron, "Take your censer and put incense in it, along with fire from the altar, and hurry to the assembly to make atonement for them. Wrath has come out from the LORD ; the plague has started." So Aaron did as Moses said, and ran into the midst of the assembly. The plague had already started among the people, but Aaron offered the incense and made atonement for them. He stood between the living and the dead, and the plague stopped. But 14,700 people died from the plague, in addition to those who had died because of Korah. Then Aaron returned to Moses at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting, for the plague had stopped. Verses 42-50

Have you ever grumbled and wanted to rebel or participated in a rebellion against your leaders or your pastor’s? If so you are putting yourself in a dangerous place. The ground may not swallow you up, but you may find yourself far from God. I have known men and women who came against leadership who have suddenly found themselves with cancer or other diseases that are incurable. Many of them have passed away leaving legacies that have done damage to the body. If you have ever done these things, please repent. There is hope for you. Turn to Christ and seek his forgiveness. Support those that God has placed over you. Pray for them. That God would lead them. Keep yourself guiltless. Also stay away from those who would incite you to rebel. Romans 16:17 says; "I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them." Finally I leave you with Hebrews 13:17; "Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you."


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Comments on: "Rebellion" (62)

  1. Hi my name is Nathan.. i am 11 years old and i became a christian somewhere in febuary.. i am in trouble.. because my dad and my mom divorced (almost) and my dad is not a christian.. i live with 3 other siblings and 2 of them live with my mom and me and my other sibling live with my dad.. my 1 sibling is turning against God and i do not know what to do.. can you help me?

  2. GerryCool space. I noticed Brian Doerksen, I\’ve seen him at the Langley Vineyard in good old Langley B.C. back in \’94.Here is a link you might like http://www.christianmusic.org/cmp/And for any Chirstians you know who like Gothic musichere is another link http://www.christiangoth.com/Through jobs and shift work my wife and I have gotten away from attending church, but hey you got to Keep The Faith. Right?Fixed spelling mistakes. LOLAll the best,Kevin Published By Persistance_Of_Time (http://spaces.msn.com/members/tastymorselsday…) – July 07 11:41 AM

  3. Hi NathanSeeing your parents going through divorce is never an easy thing. I suggest if you go to a church that you seek counsel from a pastor who may be able to help you. Pray and ask God to help you through this time and we will pray for you as well. God is in control of every situation.

  4. Gerry! Amen, their is safety in a multitude of councillors. I loved this message. Many people don\’t understand the kingdom of God is not diplomatic. People don\’t get to vote, it is ordained by God. If people could just see God\’s hand ordaining people they would be able to see past the person, and into God\’s purposes. I\’m glad for this message of authority and submission. I\’d also like to add for those that are focused on the "problems" with their leadership, handle it God\’s way. Pray for them. As you pray for them, God will reveal His purposes and heart to you through them, and as you pray for them, you are strengthening their walk to become more like Christ and your own to have love for your brother or sister. Have a heart full of God\’s love for them. Jason

  5. AntitrustoysterI have been patient with you. But you just crossed the line with Nathan.

  6. How do you get music to play on your blog?

  7. Oh your right , gerry! We should fear God by help and to support the pastor and leaders … because i read a story before that one preacher travelled somewhere , i forgot where, to preach the Gospels in a big place, thousands of people came and heard God\’s word. There were some bad people that wanted to hurt and kill this preacher. They threw the rocks at him, and screamed at him, \’ we will kill you" , etc and i forgot what they said in some words or actions, but they showed enough threatened for him. Five of them who threatened and troubled him, were killed in the river after. it shows God\’s awesome power to destroy people who try to harm God\’s temple in people\’ s lives for the ministry. We should honor God\’s call and ministry in people\’s lives for His work.

  8. MadCatz said:

    Thanks for deleating my comment, you truley are closed minded. Thank you for prooving my theory.

  9. And also in the past, i heard that , a man threatened a pastor by come closer to hurt him , but right there in front of the pastor , the man felt the burns on his hands and backed off. God was around this pastor and that man felt His fire!

  10. AntitrustOysterWhen it comes to the theories and opinions of this world you better believe I am close minded. We are told to gaurd our hearts and minds. Threats and taunts don\’t bother me cause I know exactly where they are coming from.When it comes to telling an eleven year old believer not to put thier trust in God I would be very afraid for your soul. Jesus said whoever causes one of these little ones to stumble. it would be better if a millstone was tied around his neck and he be thrown into the river. You crossed a very thin line today.

  11. Anjanie said:

    i think its really cool that you know so much on christianity. Not a lot of my friends even go to church.I\’m not christian but I still promote other cultures.I think that you making your web site so cultural is really awesome . great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Psychedelic Pariah said:

    I\’ll repeat it: If we truly believe that we are doing God\’s will, can we be wrong?The writer of this blog: http://fifthnail.blogspot.com/believed just that. In fact he writes in several entries that God is leading him, and that he believes he is doing God\’s work.How do you reconcile true faith and belief in God\’s plan, with complete and utter lunacy? Please don\’t delete this question. It\’s your job to provide an answer, isn\’t it?

  13. Psychedelic_Pariah: We can be wrong. But God cannot. Moses was told to strike a rock in the wilderness and water came out for his people. The second time they needed water, God told him to *speak* to the rock, but he missed it and hit the rock again. Water came forth, but he did not do the will of God. In regards to your second question, if someone is not *hearing* from God, if someone does not truly know God, chances are strange things will come out of that person. But even those that know God, and do hear Him, it is not a guarantee that God\’s will is being accomplished. These things aside, do you ask these question to invalidate the sanity of the christian, or to clarify the will of God for your own life?Jason

  14. Psychedelic_Pariah I apoligize for deleting your first comment. I have been getting a lot of junk comments lately. I should have checked out the space before deleteing it. In many cases people have put links on my space just to surprise and shock me. So again I\’m sorry.

  15. MadCatz said:

    Being closed minded is not a good thing because if you are wrong you wont listen to who is right. When I read the bible I remember something about always accepting others for who they are. Your little warnings dont frighten me because you keep forgetting I dont believe. People like you who refuse to listen to another side cause fights, and war, and take a LONG look at Ireland Buddy because those preachers are just like you, Close minded, and thats why theirs conflict. Not because of mis enterpretation, its the fact that neither side will listen to the other.

  16. AntitrustOyster: Don\’t take this personally — You are guilty of your own accusations. You have heard and listened to what Gerry expects, (expecially in the case of the 11-year-old), and you have no RESPECT, regard, or honor or OPENNESS for his perspective, on HIS SPACE. Your respect level alone reveals how close-minded you are to Gerry\’s perspective, God aside. Why are you attacking him for his perspective? Should you not observe and learn and digest? Can you not eat the meat and spit out the bones without the controversy? You seem like an honest person, allow Gerry his honesty, and have respect for his "house". It\’s funny how people are experts on other people, but completely ignore that same standard within themselves. Most hypocrites are close-minded.Again, don\’t take it personal.Jason

  17. AntitrustOysterWhat bible are you reading. I don\’t believe you know the bible much at all because the bible tells believers to keep themselves seperate from the world. Ireland my is about religion not a relationship with Jesus.Religion starts wars but Jesus never did. You are the one trying to pick a fight. So what kind of a moron are you?You talk big but don\’t know much of anything.You can say over and over again that God doesn\’t exist and that there is no consequences for your sin, but it doesn\’t change a thing. Your day is coming and you never know it could be tonight.

  18. Love your spaces. I don\’t go to church very often, but when I do…I get chills and a very good feeling running though my body..can you please tell me is that God reaching out for me or What!!. God bless you.~Sheila~

  19. Moonunit said:

    This is what happened to oru church. the christian church. back when everyone split up, and the protstant religion was created, and the church, was divided. and still is divided. how sad! that we speak against rebellion, yet we rebel against eachother. i think you are in a VERY good position, seeing as so many people read this space. encourage unity in the church. dont reprimand us for rebelling and fighting, but beg us to be united.we\’d be able to change the world better if we were united and as one body then separated and bickering over politics, traditoin, and meaningless stuff compared to the glory of God! i sound so naive, but, it can happen. its a movement, unity and we can make it a revolution. we can change our church, become united, and look past our differences to our similarities. we\’re only human, let\’s be saints. lets unite the church, because our unity is God\’s calling for every one of us. it just seems silly to think that God owuld want us divided, doesnt it?

  20. Ernesto said:

    Pray to your Real Father in Heaven Nathan for help…Ask him for strengh and wisdom to be an example to your younger siblings…I will keep you in my prayers and I also invite you to pray for those around the world that are experiencing the same struggles as you…Take courage and remember that Jesus Christ will always love you no matter what!

  21. Psychedelic Pariah said:

    I can\’t believe how easily you delete comments and questions that you don\’t care to hear or answer. I posted a follow-up to the replies I received from both you and Jason, and once again, you deleted it. There was nothing wrong with what I wrote.My follow up was this: Neither you nor anyone else in this place has any real idea what God\’s will is. We simply do what we want to do, and for some, that action gets assigned to God. Doesn\’t make it his will.Please don\’t delete this comment. It\’s sad that I have to ask you this.

  22. Psychedelic_PariahMaybe if you would have kept your language a little cleaner it would have stayed.Yes we do have an idea of what\’s God\’s will is. It\’s called the Bible. Again all other beliefs in the world are based on religion. Ours is based on relationship.

  23. Psychedelic_Pariah: I agree partly with your statement except you\’ve forgotten the obedience factor. I agree many take the Lord\’s name in vain, and use God\’s name to accomplish their own agenda. It\’s one of God\’s pet peeves. However, if God has spoken his thoughts, purposes and plans to an individual, they have a choice to align themselves *completely* with it or not. The truth is, if we were all doing God\’s will completely there would be millions of people just like Jesus walking this Earth — but there isn\’t. Why? Because we are not completely obedient and surrendered to His purposes for our lives. It is not the fault of God. It is not our inability to hear Him. It is not our inability to separate our own agendas from His agenda. It is the obedience and faithfulness of our heart to His voice.Jason

  24. Psychedelic Pariah said:

    You\’ve got to be kidding me. You deleted my message because of the word cr*p? You\’re not serious. You would disregard the words of someone looking for a dialog with you because of the word cr*p?Well, I certainly hope you don\’t get any sinners in your church? I can\’t imagine the ease with which you would toss them out.

  25. Psychedelic Pariah said:

    Yes, Jason, and as I said in my earlier message, Joseph Duncan truly believed he was doing God\’s will, that he was being obedient. Moses still got his water. Who\’s to say he didn\’t believe he *had* listened to God.The guy was screwed up, but he believed just as you do. Let that sink in, man. ???

  26. Psychedelic_PariahI had an eleven year old child write me on this space earlier. I have laid out clearly what my rules are. If I feel that a word is inappriote then I delete.

  27. Michelle said:

    there\’s nothing wrong with getting together and rebelling against something that is wrong or that could be made alot better…THE PEOPLE UNITED, WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED!

  28. Ernesto said:

    Hello everyone…The Father in Heaven have given us many gifts, the greatest being freedom. This freedom we may exercise as we please. The Father has also manifested his LOVE for all of us through our Lord Jesus Christ who\’s message left behind was to LOVE, The enemy and and everyone around us. Thorugh the Gospel, we hear the witness of Jesus\’s disciples of the actions that Our Lord did…Nothing is good that lacks love…that which has love is good and lack evil. Please keep this in mind as we blog and help each other…I am a Roman Catholic and I am very happy that this blog exsists..let us please be an example to those who visit this space. There are a lot of people who have not had the chance to experience the Love Of our Heavenly Father through his Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ…In turbulant times like the ones we are living now, all people with faith need to stand together and differences andd disagreements are an EXCELLENT opportunity for us to learn to FORGIVE..which my friends is a blessing.May The Father Bless you all!P.S. I am the least worthy to say this and if any of this make sense, remember that it does not come from me.

  29. Psychedelic_Pariah: Umm… ok. As far as Moses, he ASSUMED he was doing the will of God, but he didn\’t listen carefully enough. Communication error. Sure they got the water, but he still missed it. (I can give you the scripture references if you\’d like to explore what happened and the ramifications of his mistake). Even though he believed he was doing the will of God, does not make it the will of God — agreed. As far as Joseph Duncan, I didn\’t read the whole blog because it was giving me a headache, and judging from his thoughts, they were not from the God that I know, and as witnessed in the Bible. If you are looking for the stamp of approval that something is the will of God, there are a few sanity checks required. 1. Do you know and hear from God?2. Is that action submitted to the Word of God?3. Have you sought godly council, (if necessary), and has it witnessed to that council?4. Are you teachable and open to being wrong?5. Are you convicted about this action in any way?6. Is there sin in your life?7. What is the fruit of that action? That\’s all I can think of off the top of my head, there\’s probably more. If I\’m hearing you correctly, I think you\’re trying to say that those that "do the will of God" are just making it up as they go along. Some do I agree, but believe it or not there is a remnant that truly believe in fulfilling what God wants. Sorry, what you\’ve said is a gross generalization and stereotypical.Jason

  30. AdmireThePatternForming: That\’s called a revolution.Jason

  31. Michelle said:

    hi,this may be a little off topic…but would God and Jesus help me when I\’m in trouble even though i don\’t go to church and read the Bible often"? or would they leave me alone for me to learn? please answer soon and don\’t be offended anyone if im sayin something wrong.

  32. Michelle said:

    i\’m just saying that at some point, people are going to get fed up with everything around them and just go against it… it\’s human nature… you can only push people so much against the wall that is the world… i think that rebellion refreshes the world…it shows everyone just how things really are… you can\’t sugarcoat the world forever…

  33. AdmireThePatternForming: Serving God is exactly the opposite. We are slaves of righteousness. We don\’t just give in to our human nature, but we fight it, kill it, destroy it, and eradicate it from our lives, and keep our eyes on God, and wait for every opportunity to please him. We are to be his bond-servants, there is no place for human nature. That\’s why it is truly one of the hardest things to do. To lay down your own life, and allow His life to reign through you. Unless you know God and his infinitely loving and powerful heart, you could never understand the need to please Him to this extent.Jason

  34. Michelle said:

    …but we should be able to decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong…and learn from those things…it\’s a basic human right to think for yourself…

  35. The best way I can explain it is a slave and master. A slave would work for his master for a number of years until he earned his freedom. Some slaves would love their master so much, they would choose to stay with the master, instead of taking their freedom because their master was so good. They were given choice, but chose to be a slave to their loving master. Again, if you really don\’t know God these concepts will be hard for you to understand.Jason

  36. Michelle said:

    slavery is never a good thing…slavery means someone superior telling someone else that they are inferior…who has the right to dictate to someone how they are to be perceived by others… no one!i\’m not so sure than many african americans who were unfortunate enough to be slaves would really stay with their \’masters\’… extreme control over anyone or anything only leads to (what i was talking about before…) rebellion…

  37. I didn\’t think you would understand. The point was not slavery, the point was that we do think for ourselves and we do decide what is right and wrong for ourselves, and we choose God\’s ways before our own. We have the right to do whatever we want, but we choose to use the right not for ourselves, but for God. I agree with you, no man should be a slave to another, it was the closest concept I could think of for you to comprehend. If you\’re just set on the whole rebellion is necessary issue and don\’t want to take in what I\’m saying then what more can I do?Jason

  38. Michelle said:

    i kindof agree that rebellion against the church and religion is not a good position to be in…but can\’t rebellion be in a good cause? i read about this person who had a protest/rebellion/such because of the war in Iraq. r the rules same for this to?also, why do people have doubts Christianity? How can some people believe in God but not Jesus? I don\’t know anything but i know Jesus is a huge part of the Bible…do somepeople fear that if they believe in Jesus, their true selves wil be gone?this is a really great space and i like coming here…thanks for making tis space

  39. Hmm,Splitting churches.. I think this shows how sick people are. There is some kind of conflict. Which shows that both sides do not yeild to their opinions.. Is this love? Nope.And Jason, What would Jesus say if he read this Blog?If Jesus is the Jesus who you think, Jesus is probably with you right now. And you proabbly bumpt into him hundreds of times during the day. So, why all this defense? Jesus didn\’t defend himself which would be the natural thing to do before equally sick mass of thinking. He drug that cross thousands of years ago. And yet he still drags it today. Why? To help you be with him Now! He didn\’t tell us to patiently work at being better.. He said Jump into the existance that you are. Because he is here!Think about this in a moment and hold onto it with all your life.Deny thy delf!


  41. I ment Deny thy Self!Sorry about the spelling.~Darren

  42. Who wrote that?ThanksDarren

  43. Darren00007: Maybe I\’m misunderstanding you, what defense are you referring to exactly? Also, I agree with existing with Him in the now. Also, I\’m curious, what do you think Jesus thinks about this BLOG?Jason

  44. I don\’t know what Jesus would think of this blog.I only know deep unexplainable truths that give me a perspective that is finding extream peace in my life.. And anything that directs one away from God is a waist of time.Peace~Darren

  45. Darren00007: I\’m glad that you and God are tight, and I\’m also glad that your focus is so strong on God, that you cherish it and refuse anything that takes your focus on it. That\’s the way it should be, and I admire godly stubborness. If still don\’t know if I\’m hearing you right, are you saying to not bother with these people and just go for God. Or are you saying for me to stop trying to prove MYSELF to others and just focus on God? Whatever it is can you please show me what it is. If there is truth in your take that I\’m missing it somehow, I\’d really like to know. Forgive me, but I\’m still not clear on what you\’re saying. Jason

  46. Oh,The defence I was refering to was what I think you are saying is that it would be impossible for Jesus to walk with us in this world. I don\’t know I just get the sence that we are taking ourselves too seriously. And within that we distract ourselves from Loving and Thinking of God with all of our heats and minds.I am on a totally diffent level. The bible and church did a good thing in keeping the idea of spirituality alive for us. Awesome.. That is the meaning of evangelization. I guess it is a difficult thing to do.. But if you are with God Now it wont bother you.Actually I really don\’t know.. I can preceive anger in many forms and frustration and desire is not the path to God.Peace~Darren

  47. Darren00007: I think you and me got our wires crossed somewhere. I reread my comments, and I\’m not sure where you got the thought that we can\’t have Jesus with us now from me. Let\’s chalk this one up to a misunderstanding. I agree, let\’s not take ourselves too seriously, but LET\’S be passionate about God. Sometimes passion isn\’t pretty.Peace and love to you too brother,Jason

  48. Hey Jason,Sorry about that.. I thought I read that in one of you comments.. You did have an interesting reaction to my comments. Peace Bro,I have to eat now.. Try saying the Our Father while you eat.. It brings on a whole new demension to eating.~Darren

  49. Unknown said:

    The equality of opportunity to voice opposition to leadership is what makes the greater part of the free world function. Your biblical citations have not been properly interpreted to correspond to your current leadership crisis. No one has recently been ordained directly by God as you have claimed Moses was to exact a religious tyranny over the way text should be applied and followed in our contemporary world. Therefore, all are free to conclude that their own interpretations are just as legitimate as the "pastor" who claims to have a greater knowledge or access to the foundational truths of the religion. Frankly, the growing fragmentation of the christian religion should not surprise anyone. This is particularly true due to the fact that its defenders are not adequately equipped to justify their position beyond the periphery of tiresome rhetoric.

  50. zelouvre For a non-believer to try and understand the truths of the Bible and what true leadership really about is not easy. What I wrote this morning applies to the church only.A true leader in the church has to be the greatest servant.

  51. Shelley said:

    Hi GerryI hope ypu can keep me posted about your church family and how they are doing ok? God bless.

  52. How do you know if you have the gift of a leader in you if God has placed in you? Sometime they asked me to set up the bible study at my home and have me to teach the bible again … i was not sure if it was God\’s call for me to teach because i rather do what God calls me to do , not people\’s calls…. not sure what i should do. I sometime have the low esteem in teaching… because i don\’t like people to watch me , myself. I usually like to be a quiet person without people knowing or seeing me publicly.

  53. ALso i \’d tremble very much if i stand on the stage and have ppeople look at me .. i am not good in teaching or preaching because of the nervous in me overwhelms me… i am not strong….. but trmeble and low esteem

  54. Unknown said:

    Gerry…. just a heads up, people are posting as you again.I deleted them all.but I thought Id tell you just incase \’you\’ happen to comment absurdly on any other spaces.love claireGod bless

  55. Unknown said:

    they posted as me on Lawsons space aswell.love claireGod bless

  56. Some one posted with my login name.. That last comment was not mine. Someone is doing some hacking… Oh, I am not a preist. Just a regular guy.ThanksDarren

  57. Unknown said:

    Daren00007yeh thats been happening alot lately. some people need to get a life.

  58. Did you download "Edit It"? Or add any new contacts?That\’s the only way I this could have happened.Unless someone has a hack on their blog? And they get our info when we visit. Anyway.. Time to reinstall and see what happens after that.. Keep me in touch if you have any ideas about this spoofing.. Or it could be a data error within the blog system.ThanksDarren

  59. zelouvre:You said:"you have claimed Moses was to exact a religious tyranny over the way text should be applied and followed in our contemporary world" Can you show me exactly where I made this claim? My comments regarding Moses were concerning hearing, doing and validating the Father\’s will, it was no where near the context of leadership. Everyone\’s interpretation is legitimate to *themselves*. It\’s like a football team, every player has an idea of what play they\’d like to do, but in the end each one submits and trusts their coaches plan. If they fail to submit to their coach, the team fails as a whole. They can voice opposition, but in the end it\’s the coach\’s call. So it is in their own best interest and in the teams best interest and in the games best interest for them to line up and trust their coach. On the flipside, the coach is held to a higher responsibility and accountability, because if the team loses, ultimately the responsibility rests on the coach\’s shoulders. It is not a position to envy or critisize unless you\’ve been in their shoes. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs and tries the hearts Prov 21:2 (Forgive the "Biblical citation" 😉 ). Just to be clear… Think of the pastor as the coach, except a true pastor will not create his own plan, but will hear the plan from the Head Coach, God Himself. Besides the use of a lot of "intelligent" words you really didn\’t say much. If the "rhetoric" is so "tiresome", then why do you bother? You sound like a broken record yourself. "No one has recently been ordained directly by God as you have claimed." Sounds like you\’re making a claim of your own. Prove it.Jason

  60. Marissa said:

    well LONG LIVE SATAN gerry, how long has it been since youve had sex?20 years? thats brutal man.I\’m gonna go smoke some pot and play nintendolove you man

  61. Hi Gerry, That was not my post. Someone is impersonating. I\’m flattered, but really find something better to do with your time.Jason

  62. Gerry, Do not delete the entry. I am reporting it.Thanks,Jason

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